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Today about 60 Griffon vultures were spotted in Belgium.

They are looking for food-sources. They can no longer find food in the Spanish Pyrenees.
Farmers used to put the remains of dead cows out in the fields for the vultures to feed on, but with the new laws against dead-cow disease etc, they are no longer allowed to do this.

About 60 vultures were spotted here today and yesterday. But it is very unlikely that they will find food (carrion) here.
They are now on their way to Holland.

Here you can see a video of the belgian news-channel, (it's in dutch)
Just click under video on "gieren lokken massa vogelspotters"

http://www.vrtnieuws.net/cm/vrtnieuws.net/nieuws/binnenland/070618_Gieren#

Some articles I found :
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11970?DCMP=NLC-nletter&nsref=dn11970
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2007/06/griffon_vultures_head_for_holl.php
http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=81&story_id=41012

amazing how far these vultures are travelling in search of food but also very sad

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Thanks a lot for the article, Gerda!

Some vultures have even been seen in the North of Germany, so they are not far from Denmark any more...  

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no they left Belgium but I did read that they were also spotted in Germany after they left belgium and Holland. 

I found this article... (it's in german)

griffon vultures in germany

 

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Does anyone know if the vultures were seen again lately?

Is it known where they went? 

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cerinthe wrote:

The guys who put the meat out for the vultures got a warning that they shouldn't do it again, that they will receive a heavy fine next time, but I would gladly support them.

It makes you wonder about ppl, how can you pass something or someone by when you know it's hungry and you have the possibility to feed it. Do you go according to the law or do your act as a human? If the government wants to fine them, they must also think of it as a extraordinary situation, which calls for extraordinary measures or is the minister only scared for his job?

The 'rule of law' - and the 'rule of nature' should tell you, Cerinthe, that we should not interfere with Nature, and with Natural Selection, unless the animals (as a species, not as a single group, whether in Belgium or elsewhere) will benefit from our intervention - and even then, human intervention can only be justified if our previous intervention(s) have caused the animals to become endangered.

It may well be an extraordinary situation but, in Nature, there is a reason or an explanation, for every unusual occurrence and, as Naturalists, we should limit our intervention, especially as we are still relatively inexperienced in these issues.

Acting as a 'human' has, in the past, caused the serious decline of many animal and plant species.... I would rather act, and be known as, a Conservationalist/Preservationalist than as 'Human' as, to act as a Human, in many cases, results in the forcing of our personal values - sentient, emotional etc - on animals who do not actually share these.

If any animal appears in a location where they are not normally found, and cannot find food as a result, we should leave them well-alone - whilst studying the why's and wherefores of their migration..... and, just maybe, they will find their own way without our intervention.
If they fail to do so, they will at least become a valuable part of the Food Chain and, to deprive other animals, big or small, of a meal is surely unacceptable to conservationalists?

Do you recall your WLC Modules which covered the Food Chain and the Trophic Web?

If these vultures - or any other animals which find their way into foreign territories, cannot find food then they are not destined to survive in [Belgium] or whichever other country they end up in and in which they do not 'naturally occur' - and we should not be interfering with Nature in this respect.

To attempt to do so is very wrong - and those who try to do so are simply feeding their own inflated Ego's, rather than attempting to conserve the species.
Conservation work should take place in the Home Range/Country/Region in which the animal naturally occurs.

We humans have made many mistakes over the centuries, mistakes which have resulted in the loss of very many species..... let us not compound this by trying to artificially feed vultures (or any other animals) which find their way to regions in which they cannot/shouldnot survive without our intervention.

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Although it's in dutch, scroll down to the pics and you'll see how big this is for belgium http:// users.telenet.be/natuurpuntninove/fotoarchief_valegieren2007.html

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Those vultures were used to eat sheep, that is if those vultures came from there.
A few of them passed near my city, tomorrow morning I'm certainly going to have a look out for them.
The guys who put the meat out for the vultures got a warning that they shouldn't do it again, that they will receive a heavy fine next time, but I would gladly support them.
It makes you wonder about ppl, how can you pass something or someone by when you know it's hungry and you have the possibility to feed it. Do you go according to the law or do your act as a human? If the government wants to fine them, they must also think of it as a extraordinary situation, which calls for extraordinary measures or is the minister only scared for his job?

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kru-kab *bowser b.c. wrote:
give it a little more time the * VULTURES LOVE ROTTEN MEAT **

WAIT TILL THE MEAT DECAY,S AND THEY WILL EAT IT UP -

However... all vultures will also eat 'fresh' meat from a recent kill and will even drive off some predators from their kill - but maybe this species is not accustomed to eating bacon :o) ? There are not many, if any, farmers in Northern (or Southern) Africa who produce pork as domestic pigs (as opposed to wild pigs) thrive on wet and muddy conditions, which are rarely available in Africa.

Perhaps they should try putting out beef, mutton or game instead?

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give it a little more time the * VULTURES LOVE ROTTEN MEAT **

WAIT TILL THE MEAT DECAY,S AND THEY WILL EAT IT UP -

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Im glad the simple solution was at least given a try. It would seem a great waste not to make such a simple effort. As said birds are resourceful..as Krukab mentioned in BC,here in Ontario,Turkey Vultures are ever expanding their range and indeed thriving,to the point that they will dominate all migration counts for the numbers counted soon. I would never imagine enough carrion could be around to support the large numbers but there must be things someplace we just dont know about. Its unfortunate that breeding numbers are falling in the area of the article,hopefully this population will rebound. Let us know what U can regarding this story.

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new video (in dutch)
http://www.vrtnieuws.net/cm/vrtnieuws.net/nieuws/binnenland/070619_gieren

The vultures didn't touch the meat that was put out for them. :cry:
I think it was great that they tried to feed them and give them more energy to return to their home, even if it didn't work.

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