LIONS - Nkorho & Elephant Plains Area

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LIONS - Nkorho & Elephant Plains Area

Karen in VA and Aquila wanted to share some bits of information/background on the lions in the area that we have picked up from various sites (Mala Mala, Londolozi, Djuma, Nkorho and Elephant Plains) and their sightings databases.

List of lion prides:

  • Mapogo Coalition
  • Tsalala Pride
  • Manyeleti Males (Young)
  • Roller Coaster Males
  • Split Rock Males
  • Styx Pride
  • Windmill Pride
  • Nkuhuma Pride

edited by the moderators to add :

This topic is only for information about the lions in the Nkorho and Elephant Plains area.

Questions and other info are welcome, anything off topic will be moved to another forum or deleted.

 

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I have some information on

I have some information on the young male from the Sand River pride.  Yes, he did escape the shooting. I heard from a ranger friend in the south of the Sabi Sand that he has been seen (not by my friend, though) and reports were that, although a bit thin, he seems to be coping remarkably well on his own and is obviously finding some food.  It will be interesting to see how he copes on his own in the future.

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Upgrade:It is emailed  to

Upgrade:

It is emailed  to me ....... that indeed 1 of the younsters that was a part of the Sand River pride did escape from the shooting.

So the Sand river Pride is not dead! we still have one..

He seems to be out there in the bush on his own....

I was told he is not very skinny and does look Ok and safe .. but still alone.

As i posted before.. i do hope he will join the  2 Manyeleti brothers!

it will make a great pride! ( the 3 of them).

Be Safe and take Care

Ice

 

 

 

Iceage's picture

Hi there again,I forgot to

Hi there again,

I forgot to ask.

I was not an africam member at christmas evening 2006.

I did read back the chat that was happening that  special evening.

Nice to see it was a triller!

(also next day)

Ok my questions are: When they first appeared .. 2 male Lions and 1 female. Were they the Manyeleti brothers ? Together with a hungry female?

1 day later a pride took down a Cape Buffulo, same lions? ifso which lionesses joined them later that day? were they together long? as a lion Pride?

Questions at this moment: The Manyeleti Brothers. are they still together? last i read about them that 1 of the 2 was badly hurted..  ( Bushie uploaded a pic on 1 of the 2 brothers with a broken wounded leg)

 

Secondly the sad news Aquila told us about the Sandriver pride...

First reports they all got shot (:

Later reports said that 1 of the male cubs did escape the shooting and went right back into the the reserved and safe area.. Has he been spotted anywere?

A long time already past since the Sand River Pride has been shot ... so if its true that 1 of the cubs DID escape the shooting... i really wonder were he is now.. ( On his own?) maybe he joined another pride and was welcome?

A Load of Questions are storming in my mind about this.

About the Windmills: I was so happy to see them LIVE on NK , I already seen in the waterholechat that this pride was hiding and in a hunting mood just under the cabin that Penny2 was housing on her trip. (Penny must be something you will never ever forget!)

Ok again i know i talk to much..

Does anybody know about the manyeleti's  This day? Is the wounded one still alive? Did his brother Hunt and got any food to his wounded brother?

Does anybody know if its true that  one  Sand River Cub escaped the shooting?

were is he now...  Still alone ore joined a pride? ( I hope so)

anybody has any news about the Mapogo's?

@ insaneBushie..  i saw all the picture's you uploaded   THANK YOU!

your picture's combined with Penny2 picture's are saved at my Computer.

Thank You Be safe and..

Take Care

Ice

 

 

 

 

 

Iceage's picture

Hi thereI have googled on

Hi there

I have googled on the Windmill pride.

They are the first pride i have seen LIVE at africam!

So they have a very special place in my heart.

I found this-->

http://www.malamala.com/MM7/LION_windmill.htm

I do not now if this is updated regular. ( I hope so!)

Take care.

 

Dawning's picture

Like you, Maddie, I am

Like you, Maddie, I am always checking to see if there is any news about the injured Manyeleti.  Even if his leg was broken, it should be healed enough by this time that he can get around without too much pain. It would be heaven if the lone survivor of the pride that was killed could get with the Manyeletis and form a pride of three.  Don't know why I got attached to the Manyeletis. I guess it's because they seem a little more sociable than most.  

Certainly hope there will be no bad news about the injured lion. 

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Thank you for the

Thank you for the information on the Sand River Pride.  Very sad and tragic.  I have to remember to check in on this thread more often.  I came looking for any final word on the injured Manyeleti and found this.  Sad

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Iceage's picture

From Leopards Hills._>Thank

From Leopards Hills.

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Thank you to everyone for the postings and comments.

As I stated in the original article, I deliberated long and hard about posting this, and I still stand by my decision to do so. However I must point out here that it was my personal decision to do so and not necessarily going to be the attitude of everyone. I have taken quite a lot of criticism over the last few days for the posting and it seems that quite a few feathers have been ruffled.

There is raw sentiment at the moment, and maybe if I had followed my own advice and not acted in the “heat of the moment”, then things might have been a little different, however I doubt it.

As I have already stated, I stand by my decision in writing the article, and already things are moving forward, a serious look at the standard of the fence is being conducted and improvement/modifications are being made, this in itself has to have made it worth it, we can not afford for this to happen again. I must however point out that the fence was under severe pressure with the Sand River in flood, and I am not in a position of authority to comment if there is any fence that is capable of withstanding such punishment.

I feel however I have to re-state some of my points again to ensure everyone is clear on my feelings and stand point.

I in no way blame the Local Community for what has transpired. We strongly believe in the upliftment of the Local Community Area, and will continue in every way we can to make sure we do our part. We strongly believe in education in the local community areas, as this is going to be the future of ensuring Wildlife have these areas to roam free, therefore much of our Community Development work, other than direct job employment, is focused in and around the local schools.

The tragic events that occurred are not to be blamed on the Local Community, our relationship with them is strong, and we continue to work hand in hand with them on the road to future benefit, theirs and that of the Wildlife in the adjacent Reserve areas. In the past we have been notified of a breach in the fence, or we have notified the Local Community that a breach had occurred, and we have been given an opportunity to rectify the situation. In this instance we were not given such an opportunity and the Provincial Authority, not the Local Community, made the decision to destroy the Pride without notifying us of their intention. Therefore I appeal to everyone not to vent outrage and blame on the neighboring Community. Indeed we will fight harder in our efforts to educate and uplift these Communities.

So many of you have asked how you can help, all I can ask is that you continue, as so many of you have, to help us in our endeavors to build schools and clinics and help us with the incredibly important job at hand of educating as many people as possible of the importance of Reserve Areas such as this, and how Wildlife and people can live side by side to the mutual benefit of both.

Sadly this is not a unique situation occurring only here, it is happening across Africa and although much progress is being made, there is still a long way to go. I have always been of the opinion that; to be a Conservationist in this day and age, we need to be optimists, we have to have the “glass is half full approach”, it is a long road ahead, but one we need to travel.

I also can report as I end off here, that communication between the Authorities within the Reserve and the Local Provincial Authority outside the Reserve have been scheduled as a matter of urgency, and I hope and pray we can have a conclusion that will prevent something like this ever happening again.

 

Iceage's picture

Hi There, On the Blog's  of

Hi There,

On the Blog's  of Leopard Hills many people are dooing message's about the tragic events that killed the Sand River Pride Cry

I have fallen in love with the Windmill pride! Kiss

My heart almost stops beating if i imagine that what happened to the Sand River's will happen to the Windmill's ( ore any other pride's ore leopards) that are gooing for a walk out of the  "safety" of the preserve and safe area's.

I am thinking on creating a website were i can collect all message's i can find on this tragic event and then sent it to the autorities that are responsible for the action taken against the sandriver pride.

The blogs can be found here--> 

http://www.leopardhills.com/blog/

(Thank you Aquila for given me this url)!

Take Care!

 

 

Dawning's picture

I hope the best for him,

I hope the best for him, too.  Since animals are in such dire straits would it be feasible to have a program to help those of limited numbers like the lions?  I know they are supposed to be on their own and let nature take its course, but man has interrupted nature by taking up territory that once belonged to them.  

Are the Manyelities still around?  The injured one - is he okay?  I wish the young cub could join them.  They need each other. 

Save America's beautiful wild horses.

Joe14's picture

That is true. Predators are

That is true. Predators are shot and killed the world over and they have been eradicated from many areas out of ignorance, fear, or human arrogance. I guess I just would like to have thought that we were evolving in our understanding and in particular, I would have expected more from park officials just outside the Sabi Sands. I'd have thought they would be a little more informed and rational in their decision-making.

 I also wonder about the fate of the final Sandy Patch sub-adult. I'm not sure how he would be able to survive on his own. It would be an ideal situation for him to join another pride, like what seems to have happened with the Eyrefield pride and a sub-adult male on Mala Mala (excerpted in this thread), but joining another pride is not very easy even though it has happened before and he is too young to join a coalition like the Manyaleti boys. I hope for the best for him though. 

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