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The Reserve Land

How much land do the animals have to roam on? And has the polar bear been removed?

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To add another dimension to this discussion - whilst the animals now have a greater amount of freedom (still not enough yet to allow for 'natural migration' for elephants though) since many of the fences were taken down, visitors do not have the same freedom.

Certain of the reserves in the Sabi Sands are 'off-limits' to other lodges and reserves. For example, Mala Mala and Sabi Sabi, to name just two, do not allow transgression from, say, Djuma and some of the other smaller reserves, if they allow transgression at all!

Where transgression rights are given it is either by mutual agreement or (usually in the case of the smaller reserves wanting to transgress on other larger ones lands) a fee has to be paid. However, most of the smaller Game Lodges have these agreements in place which means that game viewing is very good.

None of the Sabi Sands reserves and lodges, to my knowledge, are allowed to transgress into Kruger Park and vice versa.

The Game Viewing is generally very good in the Sabi Sands but there have been occasions when I have visited the area when we have spotted (for example) a leopard close to an invisible boundary on another reserve only to have to turn back because the animal crossed this boundary and we were not allowed to transgress onto their property.

I am posting this only to inform anyone who is planning to visit the area that they cannot expect the game Lodge or Reserve to be able to follow the animals 'just anywhere' in the region - but this should not put you off visiting Nknorko, or any other Game Lodge in the area, as you are guaranteed excellent Game Viewing even if you don't manage the Big 5 on your first visit - you will definitely want to go back again! - and the hospitality which the Lodges and Reserves in Sabi Sands offer is exceptional!

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I guess , that is to avoid speculations with the land. I could live with that, but not with a time limit regarding the occupancy time per year. If i am not there, maybe friends come, maybe hired cguests occupy.

It depends of what is written in the contract.
If it says improvement to the land, can mean an flag post with the german flag Cool let the judge decide

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"DrSnuggles" wrote:
Certainly, the interest rates are beyond 10 % in SA. But still interesting.

As you say , only for holiday/weekend properties. You think there is an occupancy limit of (e.g. 120 days per anum)? like it is at Sabie park ?

I guess the interest rate is dependent on how well you know the bank manager!

Each of the residential developents has different rules but they generally limit you to so many days per annum. Unfortunately for you with the newer developments, they often impose a time limit on how long after purchase you must build - usually between three and five years and then you must build something substantial (so it looks good next to your neighbour's palaces) - a two roomed shack is not acceptable even if that is all you need.

Landi

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yes, landi, thanks for your explainaitions.

Certainly, the interest rates are beyond 10 % in SA. But still interesting.

As you say , only for holiday/weekend properties. You think there is an occupancy limit of (e.g. 120 days per anum)? like it is at Sabie park ?

I am willing to buy a piece of land there (21 hectar) for my retirement (in 30 years) But as our pension here in Germany is not getting more. (no children in G anymore) and my wife is SAn, I see a good opportunity in this. Just a piece of land, thats all. House comes later. Laughing out loud

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"DrSnuggles" wrote:
Thornybush and Timbavati are still aparted from the KNP ? But is this "Big Five" Country ?

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Is there any talkings of taking down the Fence to the KNP, at all in the Future or is there too much personal interests involved ?

Regards DrS

There are no fences between the Timbavati Private Nature Reserve (as opposed to Timbavati Safari Lodge) and the KNP, there havent been since about 1995. Thornybush remains fenced off from the Timbavati and while there has been some talk of this fence coming down nothing has happened to date.

The "Big 5" does occur in both reserves, though in the Timbavati the animals are free to roam over a much larger area including the Kruger Park.

In Thornybush the animals they have in there are fenced in and have little chance of leaving or new animals arriving. This does create some problems and I vaguely recall a few years ago they had to remove the existing male lions and replace them with new males as they were afraid that inbreeding may occur.

There are some residential developments on the edges of some of the private reserves open to Kruger (such as the one seen advertised), very few are for permanent housing but rather vacation homes for people who can afford them. For a majority of South Africans they are not cheap and with bank interest rates of around 10% you don't simply borrow the money to buy these luxuries.

Landi

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Thornybush and Timbavati are still aparted from the KNP ?

But is this "Big Five" Country ?

I found this here : http://www.krugerrealestate.co.za/dev/dev-0032.html

Is this taken for real ? The Pricing and Region ?

It sounds very cheap for me.

Is there any talkings of taking down the Fence to the KNP, at all in the Future or is there too much personal interests involved ?

Regards DrS

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Thank you, Landi!

I found on the Great Limpopo Transfrontier Park website that its size 35,000 km².

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"katja" wrote:
I am not sure if Thornybush is part of Greater Kruger.

Thornybush adjoins the Timbavati, but is still fenced out of the Greater Kruger.

Klaserie, Umbabaat and Balule Game Reserves all adjoin Timbavati and are not separated by fences, collectively they would probably add another 80 000 hectares onto the Greater Kruger (I am guessing the areas but that is a ball park figure).

On the Mozambique side, most of the area between the Olifants and Limpopo Rivers has been opened up into the Kruger - I have no idea on area though but it is significant.

There is also no fence between the northern Kruger and Zimbabwe along the Limpopo River so animals are free to cross that too, particularly when the river turns into a trickle in winter.

Landi

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"Elaine" wrote:
i thought i read on djuma site that they are part of Greater Kruger...
They are part of Sabi Sands which is part of Greater Kruger. Nkorho is also part of Sabi Sands and, thus, part of Greater Kruger.

Good night!

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i thought i read on djuma site that they are part of Greater Kruger...uh-oh, my first mistake this year. LOL LOL :oops: NOT..!!!!

good job , katja, in looking up all that info...thanks for it..

see ya later today.

Night for now.

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