that a place is set up for all those who need to vent about things can do so without the rest of us having to read through it as well . The waterho;e thread has been 99% @bitching about the same things over and over , it was hard to follow for awile , then got better but seems to be going downhill again . i so enjoy the cam , but its getting so the forum is useless , people have the idea that as long as you so much as name a animal in the post you can talk about anything ... Thanks for reading this anyway .